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WhatsApp is next - and it's been coming for a while 

nytimes.com/2019/01/25/technol

Facebook is rolling messaging between WhatsApp Instagram and Facebook messenger into one.

While they claim to add end-to-end encryption (let's see about that), the silent part is about profiles, contact lists and access.

Internally, the founders of WhatsApp left over this and employees are rebelling. That tells you a lot about how user-hostile these changes will be.

Zuck wants more data. .

WhatsApp is next - and it's been coming for a while 

@szbalint Nope, it's just about simplicity and costs. They have 3 different messaging systems right now. That have almost the same capabilities. They want to have one platform/system that can run for all these services, so if they add functionalities for 1 services, al the other services can benefit too.

WhatsApp is next - and it's been coming for a while 

@xvilo Do you know how technically difficult and massively painful it is to integrate three different messaging services like this, especially, ESPECIALLY with end-to-end encryption in the picture?

There is a reason that even Signal has only a mobile-app-bound desktop proxy for desktop comms.

People don't do this sort of platform rewrite without a very good reason. There is very little scope for consolidation here.

fecesbook, birdsite link 

@szbalint Almost looks like it's attention-diverting drama control for twitter.com/josephfcox/status/ coming out tbh

fecesbook, birdsite link 

@foks both are bad imo, it's just that the constant stream of bad news is outstripping our ability to react.

WhatsApp is next - and it's been coming for a while 

@szbalint what I think is crazy about this is that if you remove privacy concerns, tracking etc, this would be a good move for users. But knowing their business model it's ultimately bad for everyone.

WhatsApp is next - and it's been coming for a while 

@electret yeah, currently WhatsApp doesn't store significant user data server-side. If this merger of platforms changes that even a bit, it has massive privacy/data ramifications.

@szbalint @electret also end-to-end encryption is meaningless (from a consumer protection perspective at least) if the "end" is scraping the plaintext and feeding it back into an advertising algorithm.

@szbalint “If partnering with Facebook meant that we had to change our values, we wouldn’t have done it.”

Oh you sweet, summer children

@szbalint I've been waiting for a excuse to delete WhatsApp for ever. And I think Facebook gave it for free.

Thank you for sharing that, I didn't know it.

Cheers :blobcoffee:

WhatsApp is next - and it's been coming for a while 

@szbalint Comment on better alternative? signal perhaps?

WhatsApp is next - and it's been coming for a while 

@tapaniraja definitely Signal, no better alternative exists atm

WhatsApp is next - and it's been coming for a while 

@szbalint Figured! Just tough to get people to switch away from Whatsapp.

WhatsApp is next - and it's been coming for a while 

@szbalint @tapaniraja Hi! Chiming in to comment on this. What do you all think of @matrixdotorg ? I know its current clients are not nearly as polished as Signal, but it may be worth considering given its federated nature.

WhatsApp is next - and it's been coming for a while 

@szbalint

Now I have to really try and get my contacts to use Signal instead. I have tried and failed before, but maybe it'll be different this time.

WhatsApp is next - and it's been coming for a while 

@szbalint
Late stage capitalism in a nutshell.

* Create product
* Establish userbase
* Find competitors
* Buy competitors
* Consolidate to your platform
* Leverage your position and make monopoly (or monoculture)
* Profit

The endgame of any capitalist system is monopoly. Regulations can be a force of good, ensuring an even playing field and constructive competition.

But now we have the problem of companies becoming so rich that they can buy regulation. Events like these provide ample evidence that the market on its own cannot solve this problem.

WhatsApp is next - and it's been coming for a while 

@szbalint My boss uses whatsapp, trying to get him to use Signal instead.

WhatsApp is next - and it's been coming for a while 

@szbalint Can't say I'm shocked. Deleting Facebook has become the "woke" thing to do but many who do so still use Instagram and WhatsApp, which are harder to monetize. So clearly FB needs to "fix" that.

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